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The Pickup Place / Re: Neck pickup to go with Air Norton in the Bridge of a Les Paul

« Last post by gregr on August 23, 2025, 07:41:11 PM »

Set neck guitar or bolt on?

As a point of reference, the Full Shred Neck is the leanest Duncan humbucker which is also quite bright. It would probably be my first choice to pair with an AN, though I also like the EJ Custom Neck. That said, I’m under the impression that you don’t want a bright pickup so i didn’t mention these.

The other pickup that came to mind was the Air Classic Neck, which like Fred for the bridge to pair with the 36th Neck in the neck, I thought it might also come up as a suggestion to pair with the Air Norton in the bridge.

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The Pickup Place / Re: Neck pickup to go with Air Norton in the Bridge of a Les Paul

« Last post by Zoo Keeper on August 23, 2025, 05:51:25 PM »

Not typical at all of my experience with AN in the bridge, which I have in quite a few guitars.

I suspect something is wrong with your wiring or pots.  No way should a 36th neck overwhelm an AN bridge, especially backed off.

Check your wiring, measure your pots.

I use the duncan full shred neck with AN bridge, which is typical PAF output.  Even very close to the strings, it doesn't overwhelm.

AN is on the hot side of PAF output, similar to 36th bridge.

Thank you for that info. I didn't think it would when I decided to put those in the guitar, so I was puzzled. I will look into the wiring. The guitar has  '50s wiring, that shouldn't be the cause? I will measure the pickups on my meter as well.

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The Pickup Place / Re: Neck pickup to go with Air Norton in the Bridge of a Les Paul

« Last post by RayBarbeeMusic on August 23, 2025, 09:14:45 AM »

Not typical at all of my experience with AN in the bridge, which I have in quite a few guitars.

I suspect something is wrong with your wiring or pots.  No way should a 36th neck overwhelm an AN bridge, especially backed off. 

Check your wiring, measure your pots.

I use the duncan full shred neck with AN bridge, which is typical PAF output.  Even very close to the strings, it doesn't overwhelm. 

AN is on the hot side of PAF output, similar to 36th bridge.

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The Pickup Place / Re: Neck pickup to go with Air Norton in the Bridge of a Les Paul

« Last post by Zoo Keeper on August 21, 2025, 08:10:05 AM »

The PAF 59s are A5. Are you considering a magnet swap?

My bad, not the PAF 59's but the PAF 57's. 

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The Pickup Place / Re: Neck pickup to go with Air Norton in the Bridge of a Les Pasul

« Last post by gregr on August 21, 2025, 12:15:48 AM »

The PAF 59s are A5. Are you considering a magnet swap?

A2s are lower output and less punchy, in my estimation. Ask five different people about the frequency response and you’ll get five different answers. I would say they provide a slightly softened top end but still produce plenty of sparkle with a 42 gauge vintage wind.

I would consider using the Nash wiring on the tone control if you use the Bluesbucker.

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The Pickup Place / Re: Neck pickup to go with Air Norton in the Bridge of a Les Pasul

« Last post by Zoo Keeper on August 20, 2025, 10:04:14 PM »

Thanks for all the replies !! Just to go out into the weeds, I've been wanting to re-purpose the Air Norton, but if I didn't how would something like the PAF59 set sound?  I also have an SG with  Sanford Magnetic P90's - A2's around 7 ohms. Killer sounding thru my rig. I pulled it out today after not playing it for a while and it got me thinking. I know it's hardly  and apple to apples comparison, but was wondering what the PAF 59's with the A2 might sound like. You Tube videos not giving me a great idea. It would be more vintage for sure I think, but I think my taste has a little wiggle room.
I think the Bluesbucker would be my choice if I stay AN in the bridge.
Oh and I played the Ibby with the suspect neck today as well. Dang it still sounds good. Might have to reconsider doing something with the neck.

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The Pickup Place / Re: HSS with Dimarzio Bridge HB

« Last post by gregr on August 20, 2025, 07:27:29 PM »

Like I said, reversing the polarity of the alnico slugs in a traditional single coil is trivial. It is far easier than flipping a magnet in a humbucker because it is non-invasive. I was able to order a package of 1/4” diameter, 1/2” long neo rod magnets for $9.

Reversing the polarity of a stacked DiMarzio pickup is not as easy because it requires disassembly but is still doable. It is perhaps more difficult than flipping the magnet of a humbucker as the construction is a bit more delicate. I highly recommend desoldering the short black/white wire pair so that the top coil which contains the slugs can be physically removed from the rest of the assembly.

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The Pickup Place / Re: Neck pickup to go with Air Norton in the Bridge of a Les Pasul

« Last post by headcrash on August 20, 2025, 05:41:44 AM »

Guys, keep in mind, that a few 10s of Millivolts won't make a perceivable difference in output.
The PAF 36th neck isn't really quieter than the Air Norton, the latter only has a higher inductance, thus its resonant peak shifts a few hundred Hz more towards the lower frequencies. This evens things out a little regarding their positions in the guitar, but obviously not enough.
It's merely a matter of playing with pickup height, and maybe not being afraid to go for a high output bridge humbucker to balance out with a neck humbucker. You could always bring the bridge humbucker farther away from the strings.

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The Pickup Place / Re: 1990s B5 bridge humbucker

« Last post by headcrash on August 20, 2025, 05:28:26 AM »

That B5 pickup is long sold, so I don't have pics any more.

On a side note: I spent the last two weeks reading on the guitarnutz2 forum and learned A LOT about pickups. Actually it was the first time in my life (after playing electric guitars for maybe 35 years, AND being an electrical engineer), I dove relly deep into what is technically important and really makes the sound of a pickup.
I mean, I've had the books by Manfred Zollner for like 10 years now, but tbh, Zollner gets VERY theoretical, and that guitarnutz2 forum mostly doesn't.

What I wanted to say: I wrote here in this thread, I don't like the Tonezone. Well, with with what I learned from guitarnutz2 AND reminding myself and you of this thread https://www.dimarzioforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=16029.0 , with the large DCR tolerances,  the snake oil DiMarzio EBMM EvH could very well sound like a Tonezone or vice versa.
So my main guitar at the moment, where the bridge pickup sits 5 ..7mm nearer to the bridge as in my EBMM Axis's, had a 12k A5 pickup, which I needed to bring very near to the bass strings, to have a balanced sound (and still does not come close to the Axis's). So I put one of my Dimarzio EvH pickups in there, just for the sake of testing, and - well it was really much better.
Now, knowing, that a Tonezone will sound VERY close, I found a cheap one, and put it in there - and turns out, I so much like it!!!
It sounds really, really good in that guitar. I have to admit, I don't like it in the guitar of my band buddy, an old EBMM SUB (chost-saving US-made variant of a Silhouette), where the bridge pickup is even a few millimeters further away from the bridge towards neck, so the TZ sounds quite muddy in there.

Long story short: I can say now: the Tonezone sounds GREAT!

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The Pickup Place / Re: HSS with Dimarzio Bridge HB

« Last post by headcrash on August 20, 2025, 05:09:14 AM »

Thanks guys for all the hints and stuff. I ended up ordering a cheap Fleor single coil for neck position on Aliexpress (yeah...I know...) and put it in the middle position. Since switch position 4 is the only one to bring the middle pickup into play, and I rarely use it anyway, I decided to do so.
I ended up using the bridge side coil of the humbucker, expecting to cancel hum with the neck single coil, but it doesn't. I can live with that since - well I don't use it that often, and not with higian, I even don't use that guitar much any more.
Pos. 4 sound quite ok, maybe a bit thin, so maybe I'll change the wiring to using the neck side coil of the humbucker some time.