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DimarzioForum.Com => The Pickup Place => Topic started by: DarthPhineas on February 07, 2017, 07:53:19 PM
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DP274 Neck
DP275 Bridge
Saw something about these coming out of NAMM. Sounds like they should be out around April.
Called in today to ask about them and they should have butyrate bobbins and alnico 5 with little/no potting and based off Larry's 59 Lester.
Looking forward to checking these out.
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I'm a little confused. Isn't the 36th anniversary PAF set based on Larry's late 50s Les Paul too? Are we referring to the same or different guitar in this case?
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That's what I remembered as well. But the 36th looks like a typical DiMarzio so maybe they wanted to add something to the line that looks vintage original.
Cheers Stephan
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looks interesting.
wondering whether they also went with "vintage authentic" route for creating the sounds too or only the appearance.
well I mean, DiMarzio usually came with their own modern method in creating instead of try to be as close as possible to how it was made in the old days.
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I'm a little confused. Isn't the 36th anniversary PAF set based on Larry's late 50s Les Paul too? Are we referring to the same or different guitar in this case?
He said it was Larry's 59. No idea if he has more than one.
Supposed to be more vintage correct. The A5 seems interesting. Not sure the gauss level on it. Doesn't the plain 36th have a bit of "air" tech going on.
I'd like to see something like a quintessential airy chimey sweet bright open-sounding 59 PAF in a production setting. Hope they pull it off.
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I have left a Les Paul sitting with empty pickup cavities for a couple of weeks because I want to know more about these before I buy something else. I wish they would hurry up with the specs on them. I was about to buy a Set of Gibson Burstbucker 1&2. I have always liked Seymour Duncan's take on the 59 PAF, but with those, the neck pickup can be a bit bass heavy, and the bridge can be a bit brittle on high notes. They work better in an SG than a Les Paul.
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Talked to them again today and apparently it still might be another few weeks.
He did confirm long legs and vintage braid wiring and available only in double creme.
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I have left a Les Paul sitting with empty pickup cavities for a couple of weeks because I want to know more about these before I buy something else. I wish they would hurry up with the specs on them. I was about to buy a Set of Gibson Burstbucker 1&2. I have always liked Seymour Duncan's take on the 59 PAF, but with those, the neck pickup can be a bit bass heavy, and the bridge can be a bit brittle on high notes. They work better in an SG than a Les Paul.
IMO, if you enjoy very polite sounding humbuckers for the lack of better words, Burstbucker 1 & 2 combo on a guitar works well. I need to try a Burstbucker 2 & 3 combo someday. Also, these pickups are not wax potted. Something you may want to consider
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no news about this one?
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no news about this one?
I've been calling them about every month. The answer is generally that it's getting final tweaks from Larry's ears.
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LarryDiMarzio25 minutes agoHighlighted reply
Hi, Thanks for your interest. The Satchtur8 is finished (Joe's been touring with it) and I'll probably release it by the end of Aug. I'm still refining the PAF 59 but it is out on the road this summer with several artists.
Hope that helps,
Larry DiMarzio
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Info is up on the Dimarzio Website.
http://www.dimarzio.com/pickups/humbuckers/paf-59-bridge (http://www.dimarzio.com/pickups/humbuckers/paf-59-bridge)
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Arrived today. Installed today.
Going to put them through the paces.
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You're killing us Darth, first impressions please :o ??? :-\ 8)
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You're killing us Darth, first impressions please :o ??? :-\ 8)
Come on daddy-o. It's only been a day.
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Come on daddy-o. It's only been a day.
Fair enough. I'm super keen to know, have been waiting like 6 months to hear players opinion on these so not fair to put all that on you.
Sorry dude.
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Come on daddy-o. It's only been a day.
Fair enough. I'm super keen to know, have been waiting like 6 months to hear players opinion on these so not fair to put all that on you.
Sorry dude.
Did swap them in different positions. The product description indicates they are good for that. Plus, original PAFs had no designation for going in one position or another. In the case of these pups, they do seem more at home in the position they are designed for.
I can say it's hard to know what to expect from something aligned to a PAF or something called 59. People have become much more accustomed to another set from a big name with 59 in it.
On the other hand, I think some people are taking this set as a "shot across the bow" at the boutique types that raise a stink about "vintage" specs and the whole double cream thing.
There is also some noise out there about this set being voiced after Larrys own 59, yet that marketing approach being taken on a previous set.
I do like to take a few days to process things fairly in an even-handed setting. But if you'd like my initial thoughts, I'd prefer to take that somewhere else...you can send me a message via FB if you like.
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No probs, I will wait. Better you play them than message me individually.
Like you, I'm not sure what gap they are trying to fill in the pickup line which is why Im so interested. With the paf 36th, paf master, and air classic most bases seem to be covered. Specs wise is looks a bit like a air classic with a slight midrange bump, or a paf master with the bridge output dialled back, but that does not tell the full story.
I do hope its not a more vintage correct marketing line. I don't buy that, but certainly the whole double cream thing is annoying.
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The impression the marketing made on me was that, whereas the 36 set is using Larry and Steve's patents to get "modern" pickups to sound like Larry's '59s, this new set shoots for the same goal with "vintage-correct" construction, for no sake other than hitting that market. I'm more interested in seeing the two sets A/B'd than anything.
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with regard to the PAF Master set, I did buy that one. how long it took me to pull those from the guitar could have been clocked with an egg timer.
to date, I do very much like the 36th Bridge and the VHPAF. I find the regular 36th to suit my preference more in the bridge than in the neck. I've not laid hands on the Virtual PAF yet.
this is in no way an indication on my thoughts of the PAF 59 or the 36th model(s), but it seems there's more marketing toward Larry's 59 Lester. it'd be interesting to know how many other, if any, 59 Lesters were referenced. we all pretty much know that it could be a crap shoot as to what one would be and the very next one would be.
additionally, what were the conditions of the reference and testing if the original pups in Larry's 59 Lester were not dissected? readings for resistance and inductance? maybe mV output and capacitance? testing the magnet for the level of gauss? what does any of that do toward the actual geometry of the wind?
in all fairness to the MANY scores of PAF enthusiasts out there, the original PAFs weren't scatterwound. and it's very probably that these magnets came from a different foundry than the ones from 59. and then back to the designation of a bridge model and a neck model. and on and on.
there will simply not be a way to appease the more fanatical PAF crowd unless it's wound on a period-correct winder, using magical wire from that era that's been stored in a unicorn's mane.
I think someone that has a cheap import guitar with the cheap import pups will be OK. the cork-sniffers paying over $3k for a LP and develop the confidence bias that justifies a $600 set of boutique pups... those guys will be throwing stones.
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...and.....
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...and.....
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DP275CR
Buy a set and let us know what you think
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Ok. I'll be the first one to say it. I don't think you actually have a set. You aren't acting like a person who has actually tried them. You are acting like someone who has made a claim they cannot back up... Prove me wrong.... :P
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Proof has been there.
Anyone with a few brain cells to rub together can see mine.
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Nice CLAIM. Still no evidence for it... :P
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Nice CLAIM. Still no evidence for it... :P
Since when have we needed to prove that we have certain pickups? He wants some time with the product before he writes his review, that doesn't seem too unreasonable to me...
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with regard to the PAF Master set, I did buy that one. how long it took me to pull those from the guitar could have been clocked with an egg timer.
Care to elaborate? Would love to hear your impressions on the PAF Master set and what it was you did not like about them
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Since when have we needed to prove that we have certain pickups? He wants some time with the product before he writes his review, that doesn't seem too unreasonable to me...
it's cool Bart, although I dig your comment and appreciate the positive vibe.
some people still aren't over that time that that cute girl in 4th grade asked them to pass the ketchup in the lunch room, only to see Tommy (capt of the football team) take her to prom 8 years later. or maybe he's just confused as to why Taylor Swift suddenly went to an online blackout just as he figured out how he'd only have to pay $1 to grab her ass.
either way, what he's asked for has been online for about a week. but... the whole '2 brain cells' barrier.
Care to elaborate? Would love to hear your impressions on the PAF Master set and what it was you did not like about them
they came off as dry and flat. definitely "throaty", as described. but not so much as "dynamic", also as described. the voicing seemed to almost choke out any potential for the character expected from the product description. in retrospect, I think the UOA5 in the neck could have been a lot of the issue.
I've sent custom winds back to get tweaked, but I think the PAF Master set is the first production set from any company that I found no use for in my personal collection. which is to say, that if I'm paying for them, I go after pickups that appeal to me and that I'd want to keep.
and they sound fine in the Gilbert demo. of course, when does Gilbert not make something sound great? it appears that plenty of players dig them, and that's all that matters.
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Nice CLAIM. Still no evidence for it... :P
Since when have we needed to prove that we have certain pickups? He wants some time with the product before he writes his review, that doesn't seem too unreasonable to me...
Oh C'mon. Anyone who had the pickups would have posted a "first impressions" review by now. Its not like you can't change your mind or add to your opinions later. I could install a new set of pickups and give you are run down of my impressions of their tone in 30 minutes... unless I didn't actually have the pickups... ;)
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Given the number of reviews on his site, I don't doubt he probably already has a set of the PAF 59s.
It's just been a bit of a tease - we all know we gearheads aren't patient when it comes to waiting for reviews on new stuff. 8)
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Yeah. That is what I thought too. I thought he somehow got a set before they released, and I was trying to goad him into giving us a review of them. I was kidding when I started poking fun at him, but now I really am beginning to wonder...
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Look at his facebook (link in his posts).
Its pretty clear he has them, just have to wait for the review.
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Yeah. That is what I thought too. I thought he somehow got a set before they released, and I was trying to goad him into giving us a review of them. I was kidding when I started poking fun at him, but now I really am beginning to wonder...
You know, with some people, when you tease them you can actually achieve the opposite. Just let him review them when he feels he has a clear picture of them.
There's also the honeymoon phase - I cannot tell you how many times I had a set over only to change my mind about them after a few days.
Bottom line: Darth will post the review when he feels it's the right time to do it.
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http://darthphineas.com/2017/08/dimarzio-paf-59/
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http://darthphineas.com/2017/08/dimarzio-paf-59/
A good read/writer, albeit more like a blog/magazine article; i.e. over half of it has nothing to do with the sound of the pickups.
I hope he can go into more detail/less formal here; it sounds like the neck is a bit boomier than the bridge.
EDIT: I'd like a comparison to Mojotones '59 Clones at this point, as those were my first choice before these DiM's were released.
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over half of it has nothing to do with the sound of the pickups.
had to dig a little to find things I wanted to say that would be fair to everyone. which is kinda sorta what I do when something doesn't cut the mustard. I'm not here to slam the product, but my personal impression is that it does not live up to the potential of a replica of a PAF from 1959. but... lots of players will still like it and that's what matters to DiMarzio.
I hope he can go into more detail/less formal here; it sounds like the neck is a bit boomier than the bridge.
my thought is that the most unique thing about this set is the bobbin color, followed the lack of options. the set as a whole falls into the beefier category that became a 'thing' when Duncan released the 59 Model. except that Duncan acknowledges they made them hotter and beefier on purpose.
DiMarzio makes a lot of great pickups and I enjoy exploring the catalog. I think there's a reason why people want to bring back the VPAF. otherwise, the more modern-sounding tones just seem to be more in the DiMarzio wheelhouse.
I'd be interested in learning more about when the Blucher era started to wind down.
EDIT: I'd like a comparison to Mojotones '59 Clones at this point, as those were my first choice before these DiM's were released.
I like the Mojo 59 Clone models. the difference between the regular bridge and the hot bridge are a little subtle, going more for a similar voice. if they are your first choice, go with them. if there's an issue, they will work with you on it. or call up, ask for David Shepherd and discuss your goals before you order.
if I'm not looking to totally break the bank, the PAF replicas I'd start with would be the Seth Lover set. then the Mojotone 59 Clones. if I had some scratch to throw around, there are others I can discuss.
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I'd be interested in learning more about when the Blucher era started to wind down.
Has Steve left DiMarzio?
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had to dig a little to find things I wanted to say that would be fair to everyone. which is kinda sorta what I do when something doesn't cut the mustard. I'm not here to slam the product, but my personal impression is that it does not live up to the potential of a replica of a PAF from 1959. but... lots of players will still like it and that's what matters to DiMarzio.
my thought is that the most unique thing about this set is the bobbin color, followed the lack of options. the set as a whole falls into the beefier category that became a 'thing' when Duncan released the 59 Model. except that Duncan acknowledges they made them hotter and beefier on purpose.
DiMarzio makes a lot of great pickups and I enjoy exploring the catalog. I think there's a reason why people want to bring back the VPAF. otherwise, the more modern-sounding tones just seem to be more in the DiMarzio wheelhouse.
I'd be interested in learning more about when the Blucher era started to wind down.
I like the Mojo 59 Clone models. the difference between the regular bridge and the hot bridge are a little subtle, going more for a similar voice. if they are your first choice, go with them. if there's an issue, they will work with you on it. or call up, ask for David Shepherd and discuss your goals before you order.
if I'm not looking to totally break the bank, the PAF replicas I'd start with would be the Seth Lover set. then the Mojotone 59 Clones. if I had some scratch to throw around, there are others I can discuss.
Thanks for the reply - makes more sense now, and I might just skip these as well. I dig the 36th PAFs a lot, though. A great all-around humbucker - on the higher side of 'low output'.
Mojotone is a little less than 2hrs from my house. I've emailed Dave Shepherd on other things; nice guy, responsive. I picked up a Classic Hot Humbucker for my haven't gotten around to installing, but the 59 Clones might be going in my Ibanez AS120.
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Guys!
Any of you have played with those Dimarzio 59's?
There are not even videos from them on Youtube!
Failure at Launch?
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Any of you have played with those Dimarzio 59's?
Yes
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Guys!
Any of you have played with those Dimarzio 59's?
There are not even videos from them on Youtube!
This forum can be kinda dead sometimes. Not many people post here. There are other discussions going on.
https://www.seymourduncan.com/forum/showthread.php?322001-The-New-Dimarzio-Paf-59-Set
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/new-dimarzio-paf-59.1849137/
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This forum can be kinda dead sometimes. Not many people post here.
Yes, it's quite unfortunate. Let's keep it alive.