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The amount of BS by "professionals" on the net is unbelievable. All the fretwork of the world COULD NOT SOLVE SUSTAIN PROBLEMS ON THE LAST FRET FOR JESUS CHRIST'S SAKE! Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that.QuoteI have researched the topic of sustain in so much advanced ways (physics, vibrations), that I think that someone trying to explain sustain problems by blaming the fretwrok "silver-bullet"-style, and bringing the fretwork in any discussion about sustain, is just downright retarded.
I said it could be the problem and I'd look at it. I don't know whether it is without seeing the guitar, but it is the #1 sustain issue I see.
I work on this stuff ALL THE TIME and my specialty is getting guitars to play clean with action most people say is impossible. I know WTF I'm talking about. You, on the other hand, have no idea.
Fretwork does not have to "buzz badly" to be the culprit. Not at all.
There is so much wrong in your posts it would take too long and be a fruitless exercise to correct. Try actually doing some fretwork for a decade or 2 then post again.
That is the problem with forums. People who don't actually do this stuff day in day out want to pop off and talk about things they know nothing about, and will argue with you til they are blue in the face with incorrect information. Its like a layman going on a surgery forum and arguing with surgeons about brain surgery. I try hard not to get into it with the ignorant because I know how useless it is to try to explain relativity to a chimp. The chimp just gets upset and the explainer just gets frustrated.
I am actually referring to shred guitars.
Have you tried one with a waterfall? Did it come with it or was it done afterward? Was the guitar set up accordingly? And just how much was taken off each feet as it went down?
The falloff that Ray is talking about is one of the least highlighted things I've read about with guitars. And that's a shame. I've also heard it called a "waterfall". It has multiple benefits and no downsides I can think of, at least not from a playing perspective.
As far as sustain, there can be a lot of things, which have all been pretty much covered in this thread already.
IMO the buzzing must be *horrible* in order to be the real cause for lack of sustain, in which case the guitar not only sustains bad, but it also sounds awful anyway. So we are not really talking about bad sustain in this case, but for a nastily buzzing guitar.
I wish I had a convenient way to say this more politely, but your opinion is incorrect. Horrible fret buzz will obviously kill tone, but even slight fret buzz will impact sustain.
It's not witchcraft. It's science.
Really... my RGA121 has the worst sustain of any guitar I've ever played and I can't figure out why. My cheap-o B.C. Rich has better sustain. I've had my RGA121 set up twice, had strings from 10s to extra thick meant for detuning on it, and I've even tried tilting the saddles back to put more pressure on the strings all to no avail.
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The problem has to be bridge/saddle related. The 24th fret on the B.C. Rich (with it's crap PUs) has pretty damn good sustain.
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One thing though about these small suggestions (as opposed to major ones like getting new this or that) is that all my other guitars are set up relatively the same way and they don't suffer from any sustain problems. In fact my B.C. Rich hasn't been set up properly for a long time and has buzzing every which way and sustain better than my Les Paul that I had professionally set up just a couple months ago.
But whether a guitar has that limitation or not can only be finally determined after all inhibiting factors have been eliminated.Or let me rephrase : after having spent their hard-earned money on "pros".
On the other hand there may be well sustaining guitars inspite of having the above described problems. Well - how much better could they sustain with those problems removed?IMO not much. A sustaining guitar will do so even under the most hostile conditions. (stratitis, bad fretwork, etc)
What was posted above is not correct.
I work on this stuff for a living. Bad fretwork can and usually does cause sustain issues and most people don't know it.
Saying that "if the sustain is the same on the 23rd and 24th fret" it isn't due to bad fretwork is just absolutely wrong.
You're talking about 12th to end. Most guitars I see have some degree of rise from the 12th fret to the end instead of fall-away, which is a drop off, ideally gently curved. The last 2 frets might be fine but both are too high and everything after the 12th might be rubbish as well.
There is enough bad information on the internet without posts like that.I dont know about the internet, but I know that places like this forum are dying out due to behaviors like yours : semi-knowledgable professionals using the forum to promote their own interests, muting ppl who do not contribute to their interests, or have a different view or are just plain smarter than them.
Also does sustain stays the same from 23th fret to 24th? If yes this is hardly related to fretwork.
That would not be enough evidence to say that fret issues aren't the cause.
If the action is too low and/or there are any high frets, that is the most likely cause of lack of sustain.
In my experience it's also the most likely cause of people complaining about "cocked wah" tone from Dimarzios. Fret buzz can cause the fundamental tone to die while one or more harmonics continue to sustain, e.g. so-called "cocked wah" tone.
Hey all,
I installed a Crunchlab/Liquifire 7 set in my RG7321. From the 12th fret to the 24th fret on the high e & b strings, a note will sustain for no more than 2 seconds. Initially after the install, the high e would not sustain at all, but I backed the p/u's off, and the string seemed to "sustain", but to the level it's at now, approx 2 seconds. I am a relative newbie when it comes to guitar maintenance, but I am motivated, and willing to learn. Any help or advice is greatly appreciated.