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The_Spell:

--- Quote from: HarlowTheFish on June 20, 2019, 09:29:49 AM ---
--- Quote from: The_Spell on June 20, 2019, 07:37:34 AM ---From what I remember ESP made a 1:1 conversion Les Paul. They made it better, in fact. Gibson took them to court, sued, won, and ESP had to start making their own stuff. Pre-Sue ESPs are rare to find.
It's worth a Google, at least.

As far as my opinion goes, I love them. Their guitars feel great, the budget models don't sound too great (my EC-256 sounds kind of flat in the clean department), but they do play great. I played on Ibanez gear for a decade, tried out the ESP stuff and fell in love.
I'm poor so I can't really comment on their expensive stuff but I can say I got a killer deal on an F-414FM and that normally went for about 600 USD. I got mine for 350 and it sounds amazing.

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Gibson actually sued for the EX/MX shape (copy of the Explorer) which is why you can only get the weird pointy one outside Japan nowadays. IIRC (as I heard from the ESP collector I bought my '03 Eclipse I - the 4-pot LP-contour one - from) they got a cease-and-desist from Gibson over the Eclipse and just stopped shipping the 4-pot Eclipse I to the US, which is why we only get the 3-pot Eclipse II. You can still find non-US 4-pot Eclipse IIs pretty easily though. Same as the old ones, they just don't retail over here.
Who knows though, Gibson might get prissy and decide we can't even have that if their latest ad's got it right.
My '03 Standard 4-pot is straight up the best-sounding, slickest-feeling Les Paul I or any of my friends have ever played so I get why the Big G would want to get rid of the competition.

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Somewhat related, even of only by Seven Degrees of Separation.

I see Gibson is going after Dean in a class action lawsuit to sue them for "infringing on their IP" over the shape of the Flying V and Xplorer; aptly titled the Dean V and Dean Z. I knew they were desperate but sheesh. Seems like every so-often Gibson throws a hissy fit and tosses a lawsuit at someone over something stupid.

HarlowTheFish:
Gibson is just  :-\
I bought an Explorer for my 18th birthday because I wanted a Big Boy Gibson (tm) but holy hell what a dog. The damn thing had more dead spots and wolf notes than actual playable fretboard, and I'm not even gonna talk about the fretwork because clearly they didn't do any.

I hope they lose and all their stuff goes public domain so ESP can bring back the MX. I will straight up sell a lung for one if they release one in the US.

Guitar74:
Back in the 80s they couldn’t give a Gibby away until G’nR came along.  Then all of a sudden you couldn’t afford a Gibson. Never mind that Slash wasn’t even playing a real Les Paul in those early vids.
I got a GL-200 k for my birthday from my wife and love it.  I never could afford a Kamikaze so she saw it bought it and gave it to me as a gift three months later. Thing plays great, and the “Lynch u” shaped neck is just awesome.

It doesn’t play/sound nice for a $500 guitar. It hangs with my much more expensive axes.

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