DiMarzio Forum
DimarzioForum.Com => The Pickup Place => Topic started by: Slartibartfarst on April 06, 2016, 06:58:00 PM
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I have a 2013 Gibson Les Paul Studio that's fitted with a 498T and 490R. I confess I really like the 498T but I'm nothing like as keen on the 490R so I wondered about changing them both. For the bridge I'm tempted to say I'd like something pretty similar to the 498T but I have no idea what that would be. I'm also very tempted with tha Super Distortion but the EQ on the website suggests it would be a hell of a lot darker than the 498T. Is the SD a rather more modern pickup whereas the 498T always seems like it has a traditional Rock vibe - plenty of tight distortion with a real growl to it.
For the neck I like something with more of a PAF flavour so clearer, fluid, and almost bell like that is great for Bluesy solos but also takes loads of gain without going mushy. For this I was thinking either the PAF 36th Anniversary, PAF Pro or PAF Joe.
Any thoughts?
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The 498T is ~13k with an alnico 5 magnet The Super D is 13.7k with a powerful ceramic magnet. I doubt it will be significantly darker with its ceramic mag, but it will probably be bigger and bolder everywhere. For traditional rock it is a proven classic.
The 490r is an alnico 2, 7k, PAF type neck pickup. What is it you don't like about it? Spongy bass? Lack of bell like highs? The 36th neck will have plenty of bell like highs and a more solid bass with out being boomy.
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Maybe consider the 36th in the neck and the 36th Bridge in the bridge.
Given the nature of the neck position in Lesters, keep a PAF Pro on the back burner.
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I like the 498T because it has balls and a real growl to it. The tone is a bit hairy and aggression so it's ideal for Rock, Metal and Blues Rock. It's a very articulate pickup. I thought of the Super Distortion partly because I've just always fancied one and partly because the DiMarzio pickup selector kept choosing it for me. My only concerns with it is that I don't usually use ceramics as the tone often lacks richness and depth compared to alnico. I'm also unsure because I don't know what wire is used. I like 43AWG plain enamel wire as that always seems to give it that little bit of hair to the tone I like. I can't see a PAF 36th giving me all that in the bridge. It needs to be something that is in the same ballpark as the 498T.
I don't like the 490R because the bottom end is spongy, the top end lacks the bell-like qualities and fluidity and the whole thing is just lifeless and uninspiring. I was looking at the 36th because it came up on the pickup selector, the PAF Pro because it was a bit hotter to keep up with the bridge and I usually like neck pickups with a real PAF feel and I came up with the PAF Joe because the description of 'tubular' intrigued me and sounded good. Like the bridge, I'm not usually keen on vintage 42AWG wire. If you know your Bare Knuckle pickups I'd be looking for something that is a bit of a mix between the Holydiver neck and Emerald neck. I tend to like brighter neck pickups and the EQ chart suggested the 36th would be too dark, though these things can be misleading.
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The Super D is thick, middy, and has more highs than you would think. Honestly, a great all around pickup. You can turn it down if you need to (Do a 50's wiring mod to retain highs).
The Ceramic makes it more 'tight' than shallow. Do not confuse "k" rating for how hot it is. I'd say a SuperD is notably hotter than a 498.
Regular old PAF in the neck will do fine, unless you have one of those dark/muddy LP's. Then go with that PAF Pro
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The Duncan Jazz neck pairs well with the 498t if you want to keep it.
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That would be similar to a Jazz C5 combo. Kinda cool modern sound.
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I found the Emerald and Holy Diver to be softer than expected.
When it comes to specs like wire gauge and type of wire and DCR, I do enjoy knowing what's going on. But, it's far from always being apples to apples.
I like the PAF Pro and the PAF Joe. I think the Pro is a little more focused and the Joe is a little more complex. Both are good.
Do not confuse "k" rating for how hot it is.
Excellent point
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take a look on the norton (DP160) for the bridge position.
On the neck side, I strongly recommend the paf joe, really great, balanced, not boomy and has some very cool overtones...
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Oddly enough, when I contacted DiMarzio themselves, they also suggested a Norton in the bridge on the grounds that the Super Distortion would be a better option if it were a Strat while the Norton is similar but tailored more to a Les Paul. For the neck they suggested a PAF Master.
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I like the 498T because it has balls and a real growl to it. The tone is a bit hairy and aggression so it's ideal for Rock, Metal and Blues Rock. It's a very articulate pickup. I thought of the Super Distortion partly because I've just always fancied one and partly because the DiMarzio pickup selector kept choosing it for me. My only concerns with it is that I don't usually use ceramics as the tone often lacks richness and depth compared to alnico. I'm also unsure because I don't know what wire is used. I like 43AWG plain enamel wire as that always seems to give it that little bit of hair to the tone I like. I can't see a PAF 36th giving me all that in the bridge. It needs to be something that is in the same ballpark as the 498T.
I don't like the 490R because the bottom end is spongy, the top end lacks the bell-like qualities and fluidity and the whole thing is just lifeless and uninspiring. I was looking at the 36th because it came up on the pickup selector, the PAF Pro because it was a bit hotter to keep up with the bridge and I usually like neck pickups with a real PAF feel and I came up with the PAF Joe because the description of 'tubular' intrigued me and sounded good. Like the bridge, I'm not usually keen on vintage 42AWG wire. If you know your Bare Knuckle pickups I'd be looking for something that is a bit of a mix between the Holydiver neck and Emerald neck. I tend to like brighter neck pickups and the EQ chart suggested the 36th would be too dark, though these things can be misleading.
Based on that I would consider replacing the neck pickup first and then consider the bridge pickup upgrade. I have played the older DiMarzio PAF (which is now the DP 103 - 36th Anniversary neck) but that was long ago. I remember having liked it. The only other DiMarzio humbuckers I used in the neck position are the Air Norton, which I think would be too dark in this case - and the Bluesbucker, which I liked. It is a bit brighter and tighter than a PAF type humbucker, although not as tight as a single coil. What I really like about it is that its split tone is almost as loud as the humbucking tone so if that is important to you it is well worth considering. More detailed comments from me here: http://www.dimarzioforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,1548.0.html (replies #9 and #14).
The PAF Master has caught my interest as well but I do not really have a use for it at the moment.
Cheers Stephan
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I am also sure that you have seen this: http://www.dimarzioforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,5250.0.html.
In this thread Budd compared the PAF Master neck and the Bluesbucker - interesting read.
Cheers Stephan
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Been tinkering with the Bluesbucker for a few weeks. Just posted a review yesterday ( http://darthphineas.com/2016/04/dimarzio-bluesbucker-dp163-humbucker-pickup/ ).
I can agree with the positive comments made so far. I like it.
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The thing with changing just the neck pickup is that I'd rather keep a more uniform look and currently the pickups have gold covers that I don't want to get again so that's my main motivation for changing the bridge pickup too. I was going to move to black open poles with gold screws/pole pieces. The other thing is that the guitar currently has a PCB for the wiring and I assume I'll need to take that out and replace all of the electrics.
I don't see the neck pickup as a huge issue as I get the impression that the PAF Pro, PAF Joe, PAF 36th and PAF Master could all do a job for me but I'm finding it harder to settle on a bridge pickup. The Norton seems to be the best fit so far, though I've read a few concerning reports that it doesn't work as well in mahogany guitars like a Les Paul and that the treble side tends to tail off somewhat. I'd like to use DiMarzio again as I've been so impressed with my Strat set but I may have to go to The Creamery again and get a set custom made.
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before you swapped pickup, you might want to consider magnet swap.
try to swap the alnico 2 with alnico 5, it might opened up the 490R.
or if you only want to change the pickups, 36th in the neck should be great.
and don't fall into "ceramic is bad" stereotype too, ceramic magnet in right pickup would be as good as alnico in the right pickup. Super D is good example, it sound great in Les Paul, thick & punchy without being too dark.
or if you can find Virtual Hot PAF, that also great bridge pickup. unfortunately, it's discontinue.
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or if you can find Virtual Hot PAF, that also great bridge pickup. unfortunately, it's discontinue.
Indeed a great pickup. Sometimes they appear on the bay.
Cheers Stephan
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So a Virtual Hot PAF if I can find it and other than that, you think a Super Distortion would be a better bet for what I'm after in a Les Paul than a Norton. Is that right?
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or if you can find Virtual Hot PAF, that also great bridge pickup. unfortunately, it's discontinue.
Indeed a great pickup. Sometimes they appear on the bay.
Cheers Stephan
I have not seen one since I bought them all............ 8)
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As someone who has one Les Paul Custom with a Super D-36th PAF neck combo, another Les Paul Custom with a Duncan Custom/59 Hybrid and 36th PAF neck combo and another Les Paul Standard with a Norton (b)-Air Norton (n) combo, I can attest that for what you're looking for
Bridge:
Either Super D or Norton. Norton if you want more mid crunch and 'kerrang', Super D if you want more boldness and 'thunk' in the low-end. Norton is not thin sounding, but significantly tighter and way more open sounding (Alnico V vs. ceramic). Norton is more medium-high output, with the Super D having the edge there, being actually high output.
If you also use coil-splitting, the Super D isn't that great, while the Norton has one of the best split-tones available!
For EVH tones on a Les Paul=Norton.
For Ace Frehley tones=Super D.
Neck:
36th PAF neck. You may find the Air Norton being slightly too smooth and bell-like, while the 36th PAF retains a sparkly high-end better and is better 'nuanced'.
Although if you are considering the PAF Pro, then I *would* suggest the Air Norton, because to me the PAF Pro is too focussed in the mids/high mids, with a too thin/tight low-end and too much of that cocked-wah tone, whereas the Air Norton in the neck sounds thicker/wider.
I've tried the Duncan Jazz & SH-1n '59 in the neck as well and didn't like them at all:
Jazz=anemic, scooped, too modern. No character whatsoever. Too hi-fi.
59n=too muddy and boomy in the low-end.
Duncan Alnico II Pro was allright, thick and focussed, but could use more high-end. It was smoother than the Air Norton by a landslide. I took that out of the Duncan-equipped LPC and put a 36th PAF neck there.
Only Duncans I want to try in that guitar's neck position are:
-SH12 Screamin' Demon
-Pearly Gates
-SH1N 59n, but with A2 or A4 magnet
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Thank you, that is VERY helpful!
The PAF Pro doesn't sound like what I want as it sounds more like a pickup I'd prefer in the bridge position, which kinda makes sense as the only time I've used one before was in the bridge of a Strat and I really liked it there. The 36th PAF sounds like a safe bet. The PAF Joe might be another option as the description makes me think of something that is between a 36th PAF and a PAF Pro but I may be entirely wrong in that.
The bridge should be simple for me but isn't. I generally prefer alnico 5 to ceramic magnets (Norton) and I like the highs and upper mids on the 498T (Norton) and I increasingly find medium output pickups more appealing (Norton). However, the 498T has a really aggressive and hairy edge to it and I wonder if the Norton is too smooth. The description and some of the sounds clips make the SD sound more like that. My PRS has a Creamery 'Double Six' in the bridge (2 X alnico 5 plus an alnico 8) and has the hot, smooth Metal tones covered so the Les Paul is more for everything from Blues Rock through Classic Rock to early Metal. It seems to me that both the SD and Norton could do that, though my instinct is that the Norton would be more versatile. I'm not bothered about split tones though I might wire an option for a Peter Green out of phase tone. Everything about the specs suggests Norton but the SD sounds like it will give me that big, thick, aggressive Les Paul tone really well. The EQ makes the SD look too dark for a Les Paul yet every review I read talks about it being surprisingly bright so maybe it's more like the 498T than it looks. Tough choice :-\
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Keep the 498T. Don't change it if you like it. For reference, it is very similar spec to Duncan Custom 5.
For the neck, Air Classic Neck. Best all around, balanced "PAF" type sound in the neck position. Not boomy or muddy, not super bright either, nothing hyped, just a great sounding pickup.
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If the 498T is close to the Duncan Custom 5 (which I had in one Les Paul Custom, and now resides in my ESP Horizon NT-II...lovely guitar, lovely pickup), then the Norton will have more mid-crunch and sizzle.
The Custom 5 sounds wide and great; it sort of implies high-out characteristics, yet retains the Alnico V flavor for more classic rock stuff.
If you're worried about the Norton being too smooth, yet you would consider the Super D... ???
The Norton definitely has more high-end bite/harmonics and hair going on than the Super D.
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Thank you, that is VERY helpful!
The PAF Pro doesn't sound like what I want as it sounds more like a pickup I'd prefer in the bridge position, which kinda makes sense as the only time I've used one before was in the bridge of a Strat and I really liked it there. The 36th PAF sounds like a safe bet. The PAF Joe might be another option as the description makes me think of something that is between a 36th PAF and a PAF Pro but I may be entirely wrong in that.
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Tough choice :-\
the paf joe is quite close to the paf pro. I had each of them in the same guitar for a while and had plenty of time to compare them as I was searching for neck pickups for a while.
The paf joe:
- less bass,
- has not the hifi definition than the paf pro has,
- is more rock and roll to me
- has a "dirty" vibe with absolutely awesome overtone harmonics,
- slightly less output than the pro,
- has more balanced highs (I mean that the highs keep the same "dirty" feeling).
It's hard to describe but in my opinion the paf pro is an overall great pickup but without actual personality. The joe has more that rock n' roll dirty vibe, plus with a wha wha it is an absolute pleasure for either clean, dirty channel rythm or solos. On the other hand the joe lacks a bit of definition (that "dirty" vibe) and of output (depending on your amp: that was the case for me) for shred solos.
One another important thing I'd like to point out is that I had both pups in the neck slot of an ibanez RG w/ 24 frets. I went out to find that the joe a bit too bright in that position compare to the pro (the EQ values from DM confirm that). I ended up for something different (EVO neck: awesome too) in the RG but kept the joe in a 22-fret guitar and it is a miracle :madness: (to me at least).
Today I've an F-spaced black paf pro for sale (France).