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The Pickup Place / Re: New Tone Charts!?!
« on: November 30, 2022, 08:40:37 AM »
How much can we trust these charts?

I trust them only as a general starting point, and for some pickups it is not even that. I give you two examples under the old system (B/M/T):

Super Distortion 8/7/6, output 410
Breed Bridge 8/9/5, output 365

From that you would conclude that they do sound somewhat similar, the Breed maybe with a bit more mids, less highs and a bit less output.

Back-to-back experiment in practice (bridge position of a PRS Custom, standard tuning, 9-43 strings currently).
Result: they sound TOTALLY different. Not even close.

Super Distortion: heavy low/low mid emphasis, low end is tight but not super tight, midrange is rather dark (think of an "ah" vowel tone like in "bucket", not like in "bag"), the 1st and 2nd strings are very bright, bordering on thin/shrill, and that was with a load of approx. 375k. With 500k I expect that it would have been even brighter/thinner on the top strings. Very one dimensional overall in this guitar. Clean very dark but certainly workable.

Breed Bridge (with 500k load): heavy mid emphasis, mostly center mids but also low mids but overall the midrange is not as dark (think of an "aeh" vowel tone like in "bag"), loose low end, very smooth top end, a lot of fun to play overdriven single notes on the top two strings, nothing thin here and nothing edgy either. Clean very warm with almost no sparkle on top.

Cheers, Stephan

The Pickup Place / Re: Mellowing out Air Norton neck in Charvel So-Cal?
« on: November 08, 2022, 05:11:51 AM »
The standard resistor values would give the following loads (approx) with a 500k pot:

470k - 235k
1meg - 330k
1.5meg - 365k
1.65meg (i.e. 2 x 3.3meg in parallel) - 385k
2.2meg - 410k

Good luck,

The Pickup Place / Re: Looking for a bridge pickup
« on: November 08, 2022, 05:09:14 AM »
To my ears, the JB and Custom 5 are totally different. JB is very midrangey whereas the Custom 5 is more "bigger PAF". Norton is closer to the Custom 5 than it is to the JB but more aggressive. AT-1 is closer to the JB. If "cocked wah" is to be avoided I would prefer the Custom 5/Norton to JB/AT-1.

Cheers Stephan

The Pickup Place / Re: Mellowing out Air Norton neck in Charvel So-Cal?
« on: November 01, 2022, 05:14:47 AM »
The Air Norton is already very smooth in the neck. If it is not smooth enough, there are the following options:

- use a cap and resistor in series to simulate the non-existing tone pot. The downside is that this will affect the bridge pickup as well.
- put a 1 meg resistor from the switch terminal where the neck pickup is connected to ground. This will let the neck pickup and the both pickup selections "see" a 330k load but leave the bridge pickup at 500k.

Both easy to try and easy to reverse if you don't like it.

Good luck,

The Pickup Place / Re: Wiring stacked hum as a single coil
« on: October 17, 2022, 03:51:53 AM »
This should be correct. If you reverse black and red, you change the polarity of the pickup which may be necessary if it is out of phase when used with another pickup.

Cheers Stephan

The Pickup Place / Re: Wiring schematics and stuff
« on: October 17, 2022, 03:49:02 AM »
That should be correct. If you only get a very weak signal, try green and white instead of red and black.

The Pickup Place / Re: The Tone Zone BEST height ? (For once and for all)
« on: October 05, 2022, 04:35:09 AM »
Raising the polepieces will give a softer rounder attack and a bit more airiness.

Yes, because you will more likely than not have to lower the pickup a bit so the string still clears the raised polepieces.

Lowering them will give a harder attack and more presence.

I agree because the entire pickup can be put closer to the strings.

I had a Tone Zone which I used in the bridge spot of three different guitars. The first one was a double cut junior type - there it was ok but rather bland. The second one was a gold top Les Paul - there it was outright buzzy and ugly. The third was my Brian Moore, which is light and very bright - there it sounded good. I did not make a lot of adjustments in any of the guitars but the ones I did did not make a day and night difference.

Cheers Stephan

The Pickup Place / Re: Tone Zone Air Norton combo
« on: September 29, 2022, 03:41:09 AM »
Many woods are marketed as "mahogany" but they are not the same species. You will find

- Swietennia macrophylla, which is equivalent to the original Honduras mahogany
- Khaya ivoriensis, which comes from Africa and looks similar to mahogany
- I think there is also an Asian variant but I forgot how it is called

Even among the same species the wood varies wildly. As a result, it is almost impossible to say "mahogany sounds like ...".

Cheers Stephan

The Pickup Place / Re: The Tone Zone BEST height ? (For once and for all)
« on: September 29, 2022, 03:35:15 AM »
There must be a perfect setting for this pickup, what is it?   ???
I've seen a lot of topics where guys say they found it, but they never give the values!

1) I am afraid there is no such thing as it is guitar and pick attack dependent and
2) I bet if those guys gave their values they would be all over the place.

So my answer is that you did not want to hear.

Cheers Stephan

The Pickup Place / Re: what do you think of this pickup config?
« on: September 16, 2022, 05:40:38 AM »
Of all the pickups you mentioned I have only used the Chopper, and only in the bridge position.

Since you already have the pickups at hand, why not try Evo bridge, FT2 middle and Chopper neck. If the FT2 is too dark and you like the Chopper in the neck, get another Chopper for the middle. If the Chopper is too dark in the neck but you like the FT2 in the middle, you could consider a Satch Track for the neck. If both are too dark, put the Chopper back in the middle and get a Satch Track for the neck.

Good luck,

The Pickup Place / Re: New Tone Charts!?!
« on: September 08, 2022, 03:41:57 AM »
Wow - they did publish that back then? Unfortunately I started playing guitar only in 1979.

The Pickup Place / Re: Which Pickup Features Which Technique
« on: September 05, 2022, 05:10:35 AM »
Got you - and the ? is removed. :)

The Pickup Place / Re: Which Pickup Features Which Technique
« on: September 05, 2022, 05:07:37 AM »
Yes, in principle it could be removed but I think it is more convenient for anybody looking up a specific model. Thanks for the Super 3 info - I will update.

Cheers Stephan

I use(d) 500k volume pot with the Chopper but I would first try it with the pots you have - if you like it you're done. If not, you can still swap.

Cheers, Stephan

The Pickup Place / Re: DiMarzio EBMM Music Man Axis Bridge Humbucker
« on: August 12, 2022, 04:07:05 AM »

No, it is not too technical.

It seems that your measurements of the screw coil are in line with Darth's but the slug coil and the combined inductance seem to be lower in your pickup. And yes, assuming the coils are wound with the same wire gauge, the inductance should be higher on the screw coil. I agree that the quantity of difference rules manufacturer tolerances out. A possible explanation that comes to my mind is that the slug coil had a defect and was unwound to the point where the defect was, and then the connecting wire was attached to that point so that the coil works again, albeit on a lower turn count and thus lower DC resistance. Another potential explanation is that somebody created a hybrid, using a slug coil from another pickup. As regards a sound difference: normally, offset coils cancel fewer frequencies so the resulting sound should be a bit brighter than without the offset but it is almost impossible to quantify the effect (apart from comparing them in the same guitar and same position but the results would then only be accurate for that particular guitar).

The bottom line is always: does the pickup give me the sound I want? If yes, the "how" is less relevant. If no, then the question is "what do I want the pickup to have more of / less of?" and that is where the "how" comes into the picture as this may help you to pick a pickup based on specs.

Hope that helps,

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