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Title: Pickup recommendations for Les Paul traditional - classic/hard rock
Post by: ledvedder on December 07, 2017, 01:58:22 PM
Hi,
I have a few posts going about this guitar in other forums, but I wanted to start one here specific to pickup recommendations. I'm looking for replacement pickups for my Les Paul Traditional. It came with a 57 Classic/57 Classic Plus set.  I'm finding the neck really boomy and muddy.  The bridge is a bit shrill.  I play mostly rock, hard rock, some classic rock, and some heavier stuff (AIC, 90s Tool, etc). Nothing super heavy. I'm playing through either a Ceriatone Chupacabra (Jose modded 800 style head) or a DSL. No matter what tone I need, I always seem to drift towards that classic VH type of tone (think VH2). But, I'd still like some versatility for classic rock and clean stuff. So far, there are a few pickups I've considered, but I wanted to get opinions from the masters.
Title: Re: Pickup recommendations for Les Paul traditional - classic/hard rock
Post by: darkbluemurder on December 08, 2017, 04:08:38 AM
From the DiMarzio line I can recommend the AT-1 for the bridge and the Bluesbucker for the neck. These would certainly solve the shrillness problem in the bridge and get you in the right direction to clearing up the low end in the neck. If you want/need something more tight in the neck, Duncan Full Shred neck or Bareknuckle Abraxas neck.

These are all pickups that I have played and still play.

Cheers Stephan
Title: Pickup recommendations for Les Paul traditional - classic/hard rock
Post by: DarthPhineas on December 08, 2017, 06:24:23 AM
Bluesbucker is always a good choice. Especially in the neck.

Have you already tried any other pups in the Bridge ?
Title: Re: Pickup recommendations for Les Paul traditional - classic/hard rock
Post by: gtrjunior on December 08, 2017, 08:11:46 AM
I’d recommend a Super Distortion in the bridge and maybe a Bluesbucker or PAF Pro/Joe in h neck.
Title: Re: Pickup recommendations for Les Paul traditional - classic/hard rock
Post by: ledvedder on December 08, 2017, 08:24:35 AM
I haven't tried anything yet. Although, I have been reading about the 36th Anniversary set. How do you think that set would do in a les paul?

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Title: Pickup recommendations for Les Paul traditional - classic/hard rock
Post by: gtrjunior on December 08, 2017, 11:20:40 AM
I have a 36th neck in my LP. I wouldn’t call it muddy but it’s definitely “loose” in the low end. Even so, I like it a lot. It sounds a lot like John Sykes neck pickup sound from his Whitesnake days. Check out his solo in “Is This Love”. That’s what mine sounds most like.
Title: Re: Pickup recommendations for Les Paul traditional - classic/hard rock
Post by: ledvedder on December 08, 2017, 11:24:30 AM
I have a 36th neck in my LP. I wouldn’t call it muddy but it’s definitely “loose” in the low end. Even so, I like it a lot. It sounds a lot like John Sykes neck pickup sound from his Whitesnake days. Check out his solo in “Is This Love”. That’s what mine sounds most like.
How about the bridge?

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Title: Re: Pickup recommendations for Les Paul traditional - classic/hard rock
Post by: gtrjunior on December 08, 2017, 12:02:17 PM
I have a 36th neck in my LP. I wouldn’t call it muddy but it’s definitely “loose” in the low end. Even so, I like it a lot. It sounds a lot like John Sykes neck pickup sound from his Whitesnake days. Check out his solo in “Is This Love”. That’s what mine sounds most like.
How about the bridge?

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I have a Super Distortion bridge. Sorry.
Title: Re: Pickup recommendations for Les Paul traditional - classic/hard rock
Post by: ledvedder on December 08, 2017, 12:19:55 PM
I've also read that the 36th Anniversary with covers does not fit into the Les Paul's pickup route.
Title: Pickup recommendations for Les Paul traditional - classic/hard rock
Post by: gtrjunior on December 08, 2017, 12:49:37 PM
I've also read that the 36th Anniversary with covers does not fit into the Les Paul's pickup route.
Not true. Mine is covered.
Title: Re: Pickup recommendations for Les Paul traditional - classic/hard rock
Post by: DarthPhineas on December 08, 2017, 02:23:35 PM
I haven't tried anything yet. Although, I have been reading about the 36th Anniversary set. How do you think that set would do in a les paul?

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The 36th Bridge is something I almost suggested. If the VH PAF were available, I’d go with that first.....maybe you can find one on eBay.  They are pretty similar, although the 36th is not as much a direct replacement for the VH PAF as DiMarzio would suggest...in my opinion. Look in to it and see what you think. If you think it might be too hot, go with the regular 36th Model which is fine for either position. 
Title: Re: Pickup recommendations for Les Paul traditional - classic/hard rock
Post by: harmonics on December 18, 2017, 07:28:01 AM
try sh2 sh4

or 490-496 r and 498t / 500t

Title: Re: Pickup recommendations for Les Paul traditional - classic/hard rock
Post by: ledvedder on December 18, 2017, 07:46:43 AM
try sh2 sh4

or 490-496 r and 498t / 500t
The JB scares me. I just can't imagine a 16.6 resistance being very versatile.

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Title: Re: Pickup recommendations for Les Paul traditional - classic/hard rock
Post by: DarthPhineas on December 18, 2017, 08:43:50 AM
The JB scares me. I just can't imagine a 16.6 resistance being very versatile.

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If that model scares you, let it be about the tone.

Specs can be deceiving....look at the Super D, the Super 2, and the Super 3 as an example.   
Title: Re: Pickup recommendations for Les Paul traditional - classic/hard rock
Post by: darkbluemurder on December 19, 2017, 03:39:46 AM
The JB scares me. I just can't imagine a 16.6 resistance being very versatile.

Don't be mislead by that DC resistance value. The JB is wound with 44 AWG wire which is much thinner than the 42 AWG wire which is used for PAF type pickups. Thinner wire has more resistance per meter. This is why you cannot take DC resistance as the sole indicator for output. In practice, a JB is hotter than a PAF but not that much.

As regards versatility: if you only compare the tones of a JB or AT-1 to a PAF in series mode the PAF may be more versatile in the clean tone department. But if you take into account other wiring options like split coil or parallel, the higher output pickup may be just as or even more versatile. Ultimately it is all personal preference.

Cheers Stephan
Title: Re: Pickup recommendations for Les Paul traditional - classic/hard rock
Post by: greenlion on December 19, 2017, 09:16:49 AM
I wouldn't go for the JB or the AT-1 in a Les Paul, not because they have high DC resistance, but because I don't think they sound good in a Les Paul. If you want to get rid of a boomy neck, use a PAF Joe, a Super 2, or Humbucker from Hell. If you want to get rid of a shrill bridge, use an Air Zone, or a Super Distortion.
Title: Re: Pickup recommendations for Les Paul traditional - classic/hard rock
Post by: harmonics on December 19, 2017, 09:47:53 AM
in the sd group, one said  that the dc resistance was very relative
and we had  not
to pay more attention than this

Title: Re: Pickup recommendations for Les Paul traditional - classic/hard rock
Post by: eggman on January 17, 2018, 12:07:34 PM
Howdy,

 I had similar issues (boomy neck, shrill bridge) with the SD '59s in my ES-335. I called Steve at DiMarzio. He suggested an Air Classic for the neck and a 36th Anniversary PAF for the bridge. Problem solved. It's so easy getting that neck Air classic dialed in now. Good luck.
Title: Re: Pickup recommendations for Les Paul traditional - classic/hard rock
Post by: gtrjunior on May 15, 2018, 06:51:12 AM
You shouldn’t have to roll off the treble with the tone knob. Many of us want to get our tone with the controls full on and tweak when necessary from there.
Plus many guitars only have a volume knob.